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Ben Porter wrote: > Yes, actually you can write your own code for Kyma, but it is DSP code >and not C. Yes, 56309 Assembler code. It's a royal PITA to write. You have to do all sorts of nasty hand optimiztaions to get good performance -- things that a C compiler cannot do. Writing VST or MAS plugins is much, much easier. It's much better to buy more DSP cards and not spend the time doing the DSP programming, unless you have already written lots of 56K Assembler. Many things that some think may require assembler can actually be done by putting short scripts here and there, or by taking a brute force approach. It's always a trade off between time and money. I don't really know much about it though... That was mentioned in the Kyma/Orville debates because you can write your own objects for Kyma, but not Orville. > > I can see using Max and Kyma. I don't think that Kyma can do all of the >things that Max can do invovling the control and creation of MIDI data. Max is highly effective for processing MIDI, and can complement Kyma very well in that regard. Jim > > Ben Porter. > -- > > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:54:05 Alex Stahl wrote: > >Can you write your own compiled DSP routines for Kyma? I am not sure > >if you can, and if you can, is it C code or Motorola 56k DSP code? > > > >Max/MSP comes with an SDK so people can write their own > >special-purpose modules. And they do. Looping in particular is a > >rather popular topic amongst MSP users and programmers. > > > >-Alex S. > > > > > >At 7:14 PM -0400 8/25/00, pvallad1 wrote: > >>And to confuse the issue even more, I found several examples of folks >using > >>Max _and_ Kyma, though typically they ran them on separate machines >(e.g. one > >>Powerbook to act as the Kyma interface, the other to run Max). > >> > >>Though, I didn't find any examples of folks using Kyma and Max _with >MSP all > >>at the same time_. > >> > >>Paolo > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Andrew Pask" <andrew@kaleidacousticon.com> > >>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > >>Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:29 PM > >>Subject: Re: Kyma/max > >> > >> > >> > > >> > If I had the time and money I'd get both. > >> > Both are deep apps with strengths and weaknesses. > >> > I got Max/Msp not knowing about about Kyma. > >> > > >> > I think at's also valuable to consider support. > >> > Get on all the mailing lists and check out the communities which >have grown > >> > up around each app.Are they cool for newbies?Is the "parent" >company > >> > actively involved?Do they have a good rep for helping out their >clients? > >> > > >> > Get demos and try some things out. > >> > > >> > Two things I will say for Max/Msp (not really knowing Kyma from a >hole in > >> > the road): > >> > > >> > -It happily uses most other good quality I/O hardware without fear >of > >> > conflict, so you can have another major audio app using the same >set up. > >> > > >> > -There are many people developing some amazing add ons, the NATO > >>image/video > >> > processing package is right out there, blows Videolic away, and the > >> > networking/cross platform/internet possibilties are getting more >powerful > >> > all the time. > >> > > >> > As seems to be the case, no one app will be the magic answer, the >solution > >> > will be some arduously attained and usually uniquely personal >setup. > >> > > >> > L8r > >> > > >> > Andrew > >> > > >> > > > > > > > What are you N2? Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses. > http://www.n2mail.com