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... but potential profits have been eliminated... I didn't eliminate any potential profit, because there's no potential profit from my side at the moment. I took warez from an anonymous ftp and so i didn't pay the pirates (actually i don't even know a pirate with music applications). so blaming me for people getting fired is as blaiming me for the holocaust. also to sum up and perhaps conclude this debate. i didn't come up with this warez talk to find out if it's right or wrong. it started because one list member got a negative response because he has an illegal copy. i don't think ppl should be judged and helped based on the fact if they bought the program. I DO NOT say that warez is OK, but just wanted to point that there's also the other side of the story. Also, stating that somebody is immoral because he/she is using pirated software is an act which i'd really think about before doing it. greetings, gregor p.s.: the tools i use don't boost my self-confidence, the things I create with the tools do.