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I agree with you up to a point. That is, I can hear whether the music was made as a resultat of creativity or if it was made with financial goals in mind. That's were I distingiush "honest music" from other stuff. This doesn't necessarly mean that there's same distinction between good and bad. actually, i'm trying to look as music as "likeable and non-likeable". But there's no way you can hear if the author used a warezed copy.:)) greetings, gregor ><< Can you explain me how can you tell if the music is honest when you hit >play > on the CD? >> > >I don't know about anyone else, but I know I can tell, and yet I don't >know >how to quantify that judgment. > >And, it may simply be honest about how fucked up it is, too. Things are >revealed in music that are not revealed in direct, person-to-person >experience. > >And every musical event involves two: the musician and the listener. Each >brings his/her own frames of reference to the event. (Most American >frames >of reference are shaped by that BSb/Britney mentality, and it has always been >so. Pop culture is what it is. This makes 'art' more difficult. Somewhere >there are gray areas, too, and those who wish to subvert this paradigm.) > >Can you tell when another person is lying to you? It's the same question, >really... > >I'm glad this thread has erupted this way... how it gets around to >looping, I >don't know, but these are things musicians should think about, loopers or >not. > >All of the above is my judgment (IMFA). > >Kevin >