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----- Forwarded by Lindsay Graham/Pavestone on 10/18/00 12:22 PM -----
Lindsay Graham
To: <gnominus@earthling.net>
10/18/00 10:40 cc:
AM Subject: RE: Help with me
Loops! (and plugs..)
(Document link: Lindsay Graham)
>Damn! These are good tricks. I have Acid Pro,
>but never thought of trying these.
>Thank you very much for your witties, and if
>you have more, please, do share.
Well, I will never profess to being an ACID guru (I'll leave that to
Timothy Leary), but here's another thing I've found useful:
Often, when I decide to add reverb to a wave file I'm turning into a
loop--and this can be with outboard gear or with software plug-ins--when I
finish up and try out the loop, several things happen: 1.) the reverb decay
tail extends past the last beat mark of the loop, and 2.) the beginning of
the loop sounds very dry--abruptly so--when it comes back around.
Here's my solution: back in Sound Forge (or Cool Edit or Wave Lab...), find
the rhythmic end-point of the loop. Lets say we're at 120 bpm, and it's an
eight-beat loop, so that would be 4 seconds from the start. Sound Forge
(and others, too, maybe) has the ability to display the time in measures
and beats, which I find useful, provided you give it the right tempo to
calculate them from. Find the closest zero-crossing to the four-second
mark. Select all audio from that point on, until the end of the reverb
decay. Cut it (not delete). Go to the front of your loop, at 0:00:00.
Paste Special (not just paste) what you just cut--I forget what the actual
Paste Special option is, but it's something like "Add both sections 100%"
or something. You're basically layering the end of the reverb decay onto
the front of the loop, so that when the loop comes around, the decay
continues, without that awful empty feeling you get when the loop begins
again, dry as a bone.
I don't know how well this whole ACID string fits in with the gestalt of
the group, but hey, I was asked.
"Javier
Miranda V." To: <lindsay@pavestone.com>
<gnominus@eart cc:
hling.net> Subject: RE: Help with me
Loops! (and plugs..)
10/18/00 10:07
AM
Please respond
to gnominus
Damn! These are good tricks. I have Acid Pro, but never thought of trying
these.
Thank you very much for your witties, and if you have more, please, do
share.
Javier
Berkeley
| -----Original Message-----
| From: lindsay@pavestone.com [mailto:lindsay@pavestone.com]
| Sent: Wednesday 18 October 2000 7:31 AM
| To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
| Subject: Re: Help with me Loops! (and plugs..)
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| > stretching or compressing the file to fit a measure
|
| ACID definitely is the easiest to manage, though with using
| your own loops,
| pay special attention to the "Properties" section as you import
| them: some
| screwed up things can happen if you make a four-beat loop stretch to
32.
| Fiddle with the loop-type setting, too. I've found that
| sometimes pasting
| a "One Shot" loop over and over again sounds much better than
| the same wave
| file set as a Loop. Try turning off the Transposition function. If
the
| original loop is in the key of the project you're working on, there's
no
| reason to have it on--you'll often hear a significant difference.
Also,
| mess around with the stretch points. Often ACID will do a good job,
but
| sometimes that live loop you plugged in--especially if you're as
| rhythmically inconsistent as I am--feels a lot better with fewer
stretch
| points. Try forcing the stretch at eighth, quarter or whole
| notes, rather
| than sixteenth or higher as is usual. Plus, if you really need
| to, you can
| drag around the beat markers to better fit the individual loop.
|
| And then, after you've tried everything (doesn't Cakewalk have
| a Quantize
| Audio function? I think it does. Have you tried that?) and
| the loop still
| will not stretch without phasing or other digital artifacts (which are
| sometimes outright cool), dump it into your favorite audio editor (I
use
| Sound Forge) and work on it on a waveform by waveform basis.
| As you zoom
| in, you should be able to discern where one waveform stops and another
| begins: the shape changes. Need to shorten your loop? Find a
| set of three
| or four cycles of the waveform that look the same ("cycle" being a full
| trip, from crossing the zero-line or x-axis, playing through a
| pattern and
| then repeating). Highlight one or two--making sure you capture
| the start
| and stop of your highlighted section right at the zero-crossing--and
hit
| delete. Need it longer? Highlight the same section (try to
| use a series
| of wave cycles, three or four in a row--I've found you lose
| timber by using
| just one) copy and then paste. Magic. Takes a while, but it's the
most
| natural sounding compression/expansion you'll ever hear.
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