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Thanks for the rant! I know what you mean. I used to receive the Roland propaganda magazine that they send for free (free? I mean "whose cost is added to their products"). A few years back, I read with true disgust an article that touted the importance of some new thing (a guitar controller or something) that they claimed "saved Joni Mitchell." According to the article, she was ready to chuck it all, give up on music [GASP!!], etc. but she was SAVED BY ROLAND!! And I could be saved too! All it took was buying a new doo-dad from Roland. Alleluia!!! Just crucify me on my credit card!!!! Ever since, the Roland magazine goes directly from the mailbox to the trash. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com