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re: possible VORTEX problems 1) noise? it's a very quiet pedal, maybe the problem is that it's hard to turn down the output volume (you'd have to change it for each patch) , especially with the presets. Maybe the case is that if you just plug & go you have to turn the I/P volume down to stop the amp overloading (= extra noise). 2) Phase problems. I can't comment from personal experience (yet) but apparently many mixers have a phase inversion on the FX return, which may or may not be the culprit. Best to use Vortex as 'in-line' if this is a problem. 3) Boring presets? It's more that many of them are a bit subtle, so yes they do mostly come across as being similar. They don't begin to show what the box is capable of . Actually I don't often find presets acceptable anyway. 4) Hard Manual? well let's call it challenging. Vortex 'Good Points' Excellent sound, it even distorts nice when you overload the I/P. Very tweakable. Extreme modulation. Infinite repeats without degradation (on some settings). The Audio morphing facility lets you set up any 2 sounds and switch or pedal seamlessly between them. This can either give you the ultimate in pedal control (eg modulation depth & frequency & resonance all at the same time) or allow access to the bizarreness half way between 2 totally different patches. With a bit of effort some the possibilities are pretty astounding, I remember when talk of the Vortex first started on LD. People were pretty knocked out by it's ability to create sustained textures Andy Butler <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm">Lexicon Vortex Database </A>