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> > > > > > > > > > >[ >Matthias Grob ] > > >Re: >Looping >Visual effects? > > > > > > > > > > >[ >"whiteoakstudios" ] > >Re: >When?? > > > > > > > > > > > >[ >Matthias >Grob ] >RE: >When?? > > > > > > > > > > > >[ >Jimmy >George > >] > > >EVENTIDE >USERS >MAILING >LIST >ON >LINE! > >[ >"italo >de >angelis" > >] > > >Re: >Looping >Visual >effects? >(mac >OS) > >[ >Mark >Sottilaro > >] > > >Re: >Echoplex >on >e-bay/Tutorial > > > > > > > >[ >kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com >] > > >Re: >Echoplex >on >e-bay/Tutorial > > > >[ >Michael >Clark > >] > >Administrivia: >Looper's >Delight >**************** > >Please >send >posts >to: > >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Don't >send >them >to the >digest! > >To >subscribe/unsubscribe to >the >Loopers-Delight >digest >version, >send >email >with "subscribe" >(or >"unsubscribe") in both >the >subject and >the >body, >with >no >signature >files, >to: > >Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com > > >To >subscribe/unsubscribe >to the real Loopers-Delight list, >send >email >with >"subscribe" (or >"unsubscribe") in both the subject and >the >body, >with no >signature files, >to: > >Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Check >the web >page >for >archives and lots of other >goodies! > >http://www.loopers-delight.com > Your >humble list maintainer, > Kim >Flint >kflint@loopers-delight.com >Date: Thu, >30 Nov 2000 21:23:29 >-0600 >From: >konarsteenberg >To: >loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: >help with >sick >Digitech >pds2700 Message-ID: > >Content-Type: >text/plain; >charset=us-ascii; >x-mac-type="54455854"; >x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: >7bit Hello looping >friends. I have a tale of >woe that I hope the more >technologically >sophisticated among you might be >able to help me cope >with. I have a PDS >2700 which I adore and which is >now (temporarily I >hope) silenced by an >unknown malady. It started with >loud hum that would >suddenly kick in in >the middle of my playing for no >apparent reason. It >was loud enough to >overpower the guitar signal. To >get rid of it, I would >unplug and replug >the adapter (9 volt, not the >recommended 10 volt). >Sometimes it took two >or three such hard resets to >get rid of the noise. >Then one day Mr. >Green just stopped putting out any >signal at all. The >LEDs still light >up as if everything is fine, but no >signal goes through >to the amp, not >even the accursed hum. I opened it up >and don't see any >loose >connections, just a lot of intimidating integrated >circuitry. >One >curious item -- the stereo output appears to have only one >lead. In >any >event, I am hoping against hope that someone may have >suggestions >for >repair/troubleshooting. Could the 9v adapter have caused >the >problem? >The unit currently doesn't work with batteries any better >than >with an >adapter. Thanks in advance for your looper compassion. >Date: >Wed, 29 Nov >2000 20:38:00 -0800 From: Rick Walker To: Loopers >Delight >Subject: Re: >Looping Visualeffects Message-ID: >Content-Type: >text/plain; >charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: >7bit Its' >extraordinarily >cheesy, but Fruity Loops Pro (the greatest, >simplest most >intuitive virtual >drum machine in the world and I have >programmed most of >them over the past >20 years) has a color organ that >goes with it. If you >figure out the BPM >of your loop and put the loop >in with just one trigger >per measure, the >color organ will groove on down >with you. Seriously, the >drum machine >rocks: it uses any .wav files you >have and has a ton of >simple and quick >processing options. I use it with >my looping material a >lot. yours, Rick >Walker PS If you discover >anything else, will you >please e-mail me back >with it? Date: Fri, 1 Dec >2000 00:23:40 EST From: >RChiare954@aol.com >To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: triton >Drum Loops and >cakewalk >Message-ID: Content-Type: >text/plain; >charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, >I'm >currently using an enhanced >version of Cakewalk Pro Audio 8 and >the >Triton. I am recording some of >the drum patterns from the Triton >into my >hard drive as wav files via >Cakewalk. I'd like to sync my midi >tempo >clock on cakewalk with the drum >patterns BPM. I know cakewalk >does have a > Time Extracting feature that >finds the steady beat of a wav >file, but how >do I sync it with the midi >tempo clock? please help!!! >thanks! Ricky C! >Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 >03:28:39 -0300 From: Matthias Grob > To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: When?? Message-Id: > >Content-Type: text/plain; >charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > > >> >Why is the solution to all >my problems "more gear?" ;-) > >amazing >really... I found that I produce >the best by using the same gear >over a >long time, so that all the >operation becomes intuitive and the >sounds are >very familiar so I can get >used to really express through >them... -- > ---> >http://Matthias.Grob.org Date: Thu, 30 Nov >2000 21:33:57 >-0000 From: >"whiteoakstudios" To: Subject: Re: Looping >Visual effects? >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: >multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C05B15.3EBA2000" Try >kthuga > Gareth Does anyone know of a Windows programme that will give me visual >effects from a sound source. Something like the colour screens in Music >Match Jukebox. It would also be nice if the files could be saved a avi >files, but I expect that is asking too much. Has anyone else >attempted >anything like this? I would be interested in hearing your experiences. > >Cheers Martin > Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:28:57 +0100 From: Mark Francombe To: >"'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Synching >Lexicon Vortex >Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In relation to the thread of a week or so >ago, I am trying to synch my Vortex to midi, on the recommendation of >someone on the list I looked into the Kenton Pro Kadi midi trigger unit. >The friendly chaps at Kenton advised me the yes, indeed the pro Kadi is >the >beast for me so I ordered one. Turned up yesterday and (after a couple of >hours battling with it) I got it to work.... sort of! It sends a clock >signal OK which does trigger the Vortex tap input, HOWEVER it only divides >the midi clock down to a maximum of 1 clock pulse to every 24 midi pulses >which means the longest delay/loop/whatever I can get with it synchronised >to midi is quarter notes or maybe half notes (didnt check exactly) When >the >Vortex is capable of looping whole bars or two, this is a shame... SO... I >need to divide this further, to maybe double the length, does anyone know >how to do this (someone on the list had tried the Kadi method...what did >you do please?) either by SIMPLE modification of the Kadi or my a VERY >simple additional curcuit??? clock divider maybe??? It cost me a bit so if >I cant get it to work exactly how I want I'll probably return it and wait >to get an EDP (still waiting for mine from the group but thing if anyone >is >reading from there...BTW)and use Mattias's special cable method... Pleas >help me guys!! MArk Red mogul.com° >................................................... Mark Francombe Red >drammensveien 134 N-0277 oslo norway tel +47 24 11 43 00 dir + 47 24 11 >4515 mark.francombe@mogul.com http://www.mogul.com personal homepage >http://www.8day.com/redweb/ http://www.cranes-fan.com/ ICQ: 4531031 Date: >Fri, 01 Dec 2000 00:44:53 -0700 From: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When?? Message-Id: >Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: >7bit god do i concur-i been playin since the 70s-and *most* of my stuff >that i currently use is the stuff i've always used(upgraded from EH 16 >sec. >delay to lexicon PCM 42...loop content ;-) ) and it is about intuition and >expression as much as anything. now if only the guitar strings wouldnt >keep >breakin so much...goin loopy, stanner > >amazing really... I found that I >produce the best by using the same >gear over a long time, so that all >the >operation becomes intuitive >and the sounds are very familiar so I can >get >used to really express >through them... >-- > > > ---> >http://Matthias.Grob.org > > Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:27:46 +0900 From: >Chris Case To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Roland VS880 >Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; >x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: >7bit Is anybody here using a Roland VS880? I just purchased one, and >have >been searching the net for info. It seems there was a VS880 Mailing List, >but it's apparently now defunct. Is this an appropriate place to ask >questions about it? I've been lurking here for a few months, and I expect >that with the recent purchase I'll start to understand what people are >talking about a bit better. Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:51:45 -0500 (EST) >From: noah To: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Looping Visualeffects >Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The best >visualization software I've ever seen is the Bomb by scott draves >(www.draves.org/bomb). It's unbelievable. It's also very temperamental and >tough to get working correctly, but the reward is far worth the effort. >I've used it live with a laptop and lcd projector to excellent effect. >There's also a port to opcode Max, so if you Max hackers want to midify >the >thing and make it do incredible stuff, it's more than encouraged. On the >topic of Fruityloops, I just got the Electribe ES-1. I was pretty turned >off by its cheezy dj look and feel, and mere 95 seconds of sample time, >but >it's really, actually, honestly just like having FruityLoops in a box. I'm >never gigging with a laptop again. -> Its' extraordinarily cheesy, but >Fruity Loops Pro (the greatest, > simplest most intuitive virtual drum >machine in the world and I have > programmed most of them over the past 20 >years) has a color organ that > goes with it. If you figure out the BPM >of your loop and put the loop > in with just one trigger per measure, the >color organ will groove on > down with you. > Seriously, the drum machine >rocks: it uses any .wav files you have and > has a ton of simple and >quick >processing options. I use it with my > looping material a lot. > yours, >Rick Walker > PS If you discover anything else, will you please e-mail me >back with > it? > Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:53:57 -0300rom: Matthias ob > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When?? Message-Id: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >>amazing >really... I found that I produce the best by using the same >>gear over a >long time, so that all the operation becomes intuitive >>and the sounds >are >very familiar so I can get used to really express >>through them... > >>-- >>god do i concur-i been playin since the 70s-and *most* of my stuff that i >>currently use is the stuff i've always used(upgraded from EH 16 sec. >delay >>to lexicon PCM 42...loop content ;-) ) and it is about intuition and >>expression as much as anything. now if only the guitar strings wouldnt >keep >breakin so much...goin loopy, stanner > Thats not the way I meant >it. >I think we should care to be up to the tecnological quality possible. But >a good equipment like for example a Lexicon Reverb keeps its place for 10 >years. So it ends up cheaper, better and "more mine" than the latest mfx >box. So it depends on the type of thing. Strings are changed most and the >guitar least :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org Date: Fri, >1 >Dec 2000 10:30:15 -0600 From: Jimmy George To: >"'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: When?? >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" oh go ahead and >buy a >new toy! nothing like it to open up the creative pours. eventually we all >hopefully get to a point where our gear is realized and therefore >maximized >in it's performing / recording usage. even then i find it good for the >soul >to score an occasional new toy ... my three month rule is if i don't use >an >item with in three months then it is gone to make room. i'll never forget >the day i replaced 100's of pounds of rack gear with a 72 pound johnson >millennium 150 amp ... best wishes jimmy george >http://www.jimmygeorgearts.com -----Original Message----- From: Matthias >Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:54 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: When?? > >amazing >really... I found that I produce the best by using the same >>gear over a >long time, so that all the operation becomes intuitive >>and the sounds >are >very familiar so I can get used to really express >>through them... > >>-- >>god do i concur-i been playin since the 70s-and *most* of my stuff that i >>currently use is the stuff i've always used(upgraded from EH 16 sec. >delay >>to lexicon PCM 42...loop content ;-) ) and it is about intuition and >>expression as much as anything. now if only the guitar strings wouldnt >keep >breakin so much...goin loopy, stanner > Thats not the way I meant >it. >I think we should care to be up to the tecnological quality possible. But >a good equipment like for example a Lexicon Reverb keeps its place for 10 >years. So it ends up cheaper, better and "more mine" than the latest mfx >box. So it depends on the type of thing. Strings are changed most and the >guitar least :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org Date: Fri, >01 Dec 2000 12:20:50 -0400 From: T To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: When?? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; >charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding_01C05BC7.582D09A0" . . for those who want to go to ventura . . . > Ventura New Music Concert Series Dr. Eugene Chadbourne >Solo Guitar and Banjo Opening will be the Jeff Kaiser Quintet >Jeff Kaiser, tpt and electronics, looping >Steuart Liebig, basses and electronics, looping >Woody Aplanalp, guitars and electronics, looping >Brad Dutz, percussion >Richie West, drums Saturday, December 2, 2000 >Ventura City Hall, Ventura California >501 Poli Street >8 PM >$10 Admission NO ADVANCE TICKET SALES. Tickets at the door only. >http://www.newcreativemusic.com Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:07:34 -0500 >From: "Dennis Leas" To: Subject: Re: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial >Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to hear about your high level of >frustration. I feel like you're selling the wrong pieces of equipment, >but >then I'm not in your situation. Dennis Leas ------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan Pease" To: >Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 1:40 PM Subject: Echoplex on >e-bay/Tutorial > > Well, It feels weird, but I just listed my two Echolpexs on e-bay. I >was > so excited When I got them back in May, but I find myself using my >old > Jammans more. Never got the hang of the interface, I guess. Hope I >don't > end-up regretting this later...Am I a fool.... ? MAYBE A VIDEO >TUTORIAL > WOULD HAVE SAVED ME !!!!! > Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:23:28 >-0800 From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Looping Visual effects? (mac OS) Message-ID: Content-Type: >text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; >x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey I just >found >this site: http://www.onadime.com Might be useful/fun. There's a free >demo. Mark whiteoakstudios wrote: > Try kthuga > > Gareth > >> > Does anyone know of a Windows programme that will give me > >visual >effects from a sound source. Something like the > colour screens in >Music Match Jukebox. It would also be nice > if the files could be >saved a avi files, but I expect that > is asking too much. > > >Has anyone else attempted anything like this? I would be > interested >in hearing your experiences. > > Cheers > > Martin > Date: Fri, >01 Dec 2000 11:57:49 -0800 From: "Allan Hoeltje" To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, jordanpease@webtv.net Subject: Re: >Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; >charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Jordan, Can you post >the ebay url for your EDP's? I see a lot of the old tape echoplexs and >one >EPD currently priced at $1,000 but I don't see your two. I am interested >in getting at least one more but not at $1,000! Not when Alto sells them >around $700 new. -Allan ---------- >From: jordanpease@webtv.net (Jordan >Pease) >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Echoplex on >e-bay/Tutorial >Date: Fri, Dec 1, 2000, 10:40 AM > > Well, It feels >weird, >but I just listed my two Echolpexs on e-bay. I was > so excited When I got >them back in May, but I find myself using my old > Jammans more. Never got >the hang of the interface, I guess. Hope I don't > end-up regretting this >later...Am I a fool.... ? MAYBE A VIDEO TUTORIAL > WOULD HAVE SAVED ME >!!!!! > > Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:18:48 -0600 From: >kamlapati.khalsa@philips.com To: Subject: Re: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial >Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO >12/01/00 14:10:23" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: >8bit Oh my god, when did you discover this learning disability? >jordanpease@webtv.net on 12/01/2000 10:46:43 AM Please respond to >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com@SMTP cc: Subject: >Echoplex on >e-bay/Tutorial Classification: Well, It feels weird, but I just listed >my >two Echolpexs on e-bay. I was so excited When I got them back in May, but >I >find myself using my old Jammans more. Never got the hang of the >interface, >I guess. Hope I don't end-up regretting this later...Am I a fool.... ? >MAYBE A VIDEO TUTORIAL WOULD HAVE SAVED ME !!!!! Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 >14:30:05 -0600 From: Michael Clark To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial Message-Id: Content-Type: >text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Perhaps someone here could have helped >you. > Well oh well. Michael At 02:07 PM 12/1/00 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry to >hear about your high level of frustration. I feel like you're >selling >the >wrong pieces of equipment, but then I'm not in your situation. > >Dennis >Leas >------------------- >dennis@mdbs.com > >----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jordan Pease" >To: >Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 1:40 PM >>Subject: Echoplex on e-bay/Tutorial > > >> Well, It feels weird, but I >just listed my two Echolpexs on e-bay. I was >> so excited When I got them >back in May, but I find myself using my old >> Jammans more. Never got the >hang of the interface, I guess. Hope I don't >> end-up regretting this >later...Am I a fool.... ? MAYBE A VIDEO TUTORIAL >> WOULD HAVE SAVED ME >!!!!! >> > > PROJECT OBJECT Zappa Tribute New Years Eve 2001 w/ IKE WILLIS !!!! feat. "JOE'S GARAGE" in entirety! Secure, Credit card Ordering via http://www.projectobject.com NEW CD - "absolutely LIve" -- available http://www.phoenix-media.com Live at Wetlands Aug 200 with.... IKE WILLIS (Zappa Guitarist/Vocalist)..... GARY LUCAS (Captain Beefheart Guitarist)..... JOE DENINZON (NYC Violinist) over an hour of Live Zappa music!!!