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Man, oh, man, do I have to weigh in on this issue. You see, I >worked< at Guitar Center for a few months after just moving back into town. Rich and Michael are absolutely right is their approach to Guitar Center: find the one competent employee in the department and patronize only them. It's not so important as it used to be for the salesperson--they are no longer on an individual commission basis, but rather some "team" commission that doesn't quite make sense to me. While working there, I cannot tell you the frustration the salesman feels confronted with the very same issues: looking up inventory in the computer, promising the customer something and then finding the product missing, incomplete or trashed. Special orders were a mess. And the check-out process is excruciatingly long. To be fair, there is a HUGE amount of fraud (by both employees and customers) and the slow downs are often caused in part by safeguards put into place to prevent theft. Now, saying that he sees the product "right in front of him," was probably a ruse--but it's one perpetrated by day after day (GC employees are required to work 6 days a week) of an unending grind, beaten down by missed shipments, lost power supplies and a million dollars of demo equipment that no one has set up correctly (and a management that does not encourage such diligence). Add to that the whirling procession of new and out-going managers from each store and there's no continuity, no quality control and no real emphasis on customer service, just the numbers. To combat this--and knowing that sometimes GC is the only alternative--, try the following: 1.) Find a decent employee, with some measure of knowledge. Ask around, "who knows the most about X?" I'll guarantee that there's at least one guy in there that has used and/or owned the same piece of equipment. You just have to find him. Also, to be fair, manufacturers spend a lot of money training the GC staff on their products--it's just that only one or two get to go to the seminars from each store. 2.) If you detect insincere recommendations for alternate products, (eg, "yeah, that's cool, but what you REALLY need is this over here"), stick with your guns, ask about pricing or availability and you'll soon find out why the salesperson is pushing the alternate item--that or he may get a SPIF for selling it. 3.) If you don't mind sticking it right back to them, say you used to work in the Guitar Center in [other city] for a while. Bluntly ask if you can get a hook-up. To show your authenticity, ask, "What's PAC (pronounced "pack") on that thing? Do you think I could get 10 over that?" Meaning: what's net cost on that thing, and can I get a price only ten percent above that? Big whigs, studio mavens and star performers gets this price all the time. It's the "professional" price, though more and more I've noticed that GC management has imposed minimums on many products (like the SM58, for instance), but you can often find an alternate product without a minimum for MUCH less (like the Audix OM2--I just bought six). To further compliment your ruse, ask how the salesperson is liking the new team commission--that'll get you buddy-buddy real quick ("oh, man, it sucks, dude. I was totally banking before...") Other than that, it's your regular caveat emptor stuff...