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Thanks for your replies. I appreciate these sorts of responses; they are certainly as thoughtful as my pained initial posting. Sorry if I did not make my position clear. I will try to be brief and still give more information. I have not specialized in avant-garde "music". It's swell--I understand about modern music having run out of innovations due to all the "good" stuff having already been used. I am positive, however, that I can recognize art which transcends. Like many have said, there's only two kinds of music; good music and the other kind. The first act was a fellow hunkered over what appeared to be an old style answering machine which used cassette tapes. And he was playing back multiple loops of various prepared sounds, and he was slowing it down, and he was speeding it up, and he was hunkering down, and it was simultaneously boring and disconcerting. It could hardly be considered music and it was not what I would consider performance. Next up was a woman with dreadlocks in a wedding dress, and she entered while pretending to play guitar along to a prerecorded performance. I play guitar and so does she--she mimed real good--but it wasn't live. She then played a few songs on various instruments, including a Casiotone (I'm guessing) and a distortion-laden dulcimer (an instrumental which invoked the Close Encounters theme) and sang. Closer to my liking, but still sort of amateur night quality. Guess this was an informal avante-garde evening. Still no looping, although she did use echo on her voice. At this point I will point out that I was there to see people using the technology I have come to take for granted, to investigate what my place in the scene can be. I can play a lot of different "styles", and if someone needed me to avoid the obvious, I can do that. But my tastes run toward the more consonant, and so unbeknownst to me, I had just viewed the closest performance to my liking without knowing it. So then on comes the headliner. The woman who sang with Steuart is the orga nizer of the three Sunday night performances, so he was accompanying her. I have been in the role of accompanist a few times, so I can appreciate his situation. He supported her with what she desired, while she sang in a foreign language thru various toys and/or rattled toys; generated noise, in general (I think this is an accurate description--I'm certain it was her intent), so his role was that of companion noisemaker. She made me think of Yoko Ono. I would have killed for Cecil Taylor or Ornette Coleman at this point. Eric Dolphy would have been a joy. Just somebody playing SOMETHING that resembled a passionate performance to stir emotions other than dismay at being swindled out of time and money that is at a premium as I am trying to relocate after 20 years of playing music for a living in San Diego. Now, check it out, people. The fact that I have been a "commercial" musician, that is, one who plays recognizable music for the enjoyment of the barely listening, means that I have a certain sensibility. Perhaps something of a caveat was in order in Steuart's posting, something like, "This is an evening of cutting edge, avante-garde performance art." That was the description on the flyers on the table. I am sure that many who hear my attempts to use the music tools/toys I have accumulated could have a similar reaction to my performance. That's why I am judicious in their incorporation. My work is probably way too mundane for the people in that room. I just try to do what I think is appropriate. I am truly sorry if I went where I should not have, i.e. Hollywood Knitting Factory. But I want this technology, and let me be specific--I want the use of delays creating accumulated sound "painting"--to be better understood and more accepted. It is important to me. I went looking for that. What I found made me upset to have been misled, if not defrauded. This did not seem to be a looping performance. If I posted gig spam and someone came to see me, I would feel obligated to feature looping. Thanks again for your time. I am grateful that there is some discussion of this and not just a reaction to my rudeness. You guys are a bunch of swell fellows. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saybolt" <JWSaybolt@hotmail.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 2:52 AM Subject: Re: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance > So it appears that Steuart Lied big, Stephen was the Good man in being > supportive, and Gary thought the show to be Lehm, man. Fascinating. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Lehmann <relayonemanband@cts.com> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: so cal gig spam--Review of Performance > > bla bla bla I hated it etc.