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>>They know that banging someone with a >> pipe doesn't become music until you add good intention. > Crossover [among others] asks, >What constitutes "good" intention? Okay. The thread began with the assertion that all is perception [what they meant-btw- was *all is perspective*- which is *true*]. It was hinted that there is no *good* nor *bad*, but thinking makes it so. I wanted to play on how *perception* actually works. We *hear* what we *attend* to--- well, actually, we hear all kinds of things, but that which we *intentionally* hear is different [we all have opinions and ideas about this, whether biological, philosophical or spiritual]. Someone had said that music was *just vibrations of atoms*. I wanted to suggest that that is about as close as saying, *an airplane crash is just material, reshaping*. Not if your wife was on there. And from who's perspective is it *just* re-shaping material??? So... My point [ahem. need coffee]: If, while beating someone with a pipe, there happen to be noises [vibrations]- - - that doesn't make it music. If you [or a bystander] notice that the thuds and pops have a rhythmic quality- - - that still isn't music. But if you begin to modify your approach, in order to enhance the musical qualities: then, it's music. Your *intention* had to change [your perception and perspective can stay the same]. Further, you had to have a *constructive* [a wish to build, etc] intention. [I regret the metaphor. It's one of those, best not elaborated on] One can not make music by *accident* [unintentionally]. You can program a computer [intention]. You can throw bricks at pianos. But no one ever made music by accident. Not once. At some point the intention was there. Not only must you have the *intention* to make music, but it must be constructive/benevolent[with the aim to communicate with as little static as possible]/harmonic [by any definition]/cooperative [of the elements/creator/listener]: in other words: *Good* *Intended*...[as opposed to chaos/noise/pain/damage/rendering auseinander]. Of course this brings into question what makes apperception different from perception--- what makes attention different from intention, etc. Even I am [almost] smart enough to know that this isn't the place to speculate further... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.