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>This is a wonderful discussion... Indeed! >I suppose that even Cageian (sp?) activities such as rolling dice to >select >parts for a performance is *intention*. After all, it IS a selection >process. We might call the composer's judgement into question but not >his/her intentional efforts. > >I like your distinction: "This is Not a definition of what a *music* is- >it's a definition of what *creating music* is." But I'm not sure that all >music is *created* in the sense of *composed*. In a nutshell, I'll say >that >I believe all *composed* music is intentional (or willful) but all music >is >not *composed* music. What if we change the definition from intent on the composer side to intent on the listener side? i.e, "this is music because I hear it as such," as opposed to "This is music because i composed it as such." I always loved Cage's comment (and i am paraphrasing because my copy of Silence is loaned out at the moment), "Is a cement truck music? Is a cement truck music if it is driving past a music school?" ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________