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John, Thanks for the cool ideas I can't wait to try out that tube in the air hole idea!! .another cool snare drum trick is to use a wide open (no muffling) ambassador or similar head and tune the snare drum so that it has a decided pitched ringing overtone. Then playing a rimshot with your right hand put the tip of a stick onto the drum head and start transcribing different sized circles on the head with your left hand. You can get beautiful, dolphin like overtone manipulations which you can control rhythmically. The stick must touch the head but not be putting pressure on it. Also, there is the beautiful simple technique of playing the bell with the sideways butt end of a stick whilst using your left hand flattened out and making parallel rapid movements against the bell (without dampening it very much). this has a very pronounced phase effect on the bell, which can be controlled rhythmically. This works best on large bells on very heavy ride cymbals. Richard, I have been going to Radio Shack, lately, and building little contact mics out of piezo buzzers. Are these the kinds of contact mics you are talking about? Do you buy them or make them. BTW, I loved the ball bearings to bowling balls routine. I would love to try some of the things you talked about. Alas, I don't have access to the mega-expensive instruments, the timpani and the grand piano (that people don't object to rolling a bowling ball down ;-) There are some distinct advantages to being in the avante garde classical musical world, associated with institutions of higher learning. Access to equipment is definitely one of them. Thanks for all of the creative ideas. BTW, for those of you unfamiliar with Richard Zvonar's work, I highly recommend that you check out this very, very creative musician/sound technician. Loopers Delight Rocks. Thanks for all the great tips, guys. Keep up the stimulating, creative posts. yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool)