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Max, Thanks for your comments on the DL4...i will second his kudos to L6's support department...they swapped out my DL4 real quick, too and trusted me to mail back my original. I am too fascinated by the DL4 and it's straightforward simplicity, but lately have been increasingly frustrated in real-time situations. How are you guys dealing with this? For example. If i'm in loop mode, and i set the expression pedal to control the mix...fine...now what if i catch a loop, bring back the mix a bit to drop the loop down in volume...then bend down...turn up the pre-delay to bring in a wash. If i touch that expression pedal, now...the predelay is going to be effected by that move...somehow...it all depends on "where that pedal was when you moved which knob". It's worse in delay mode. As soon as you touch any knobs...you're pretty much #*%!!&*'ed, are you not? then you can't really touch the expression pedal, or it starts manifesting any changes you made to the knobs. Also, what if you bring up a delay preset, but then need to change the tap tempo...shit, we've gone over this before...the new tap tempo is assigned to 'one' position of the pedal, and not the other...try adjusting your MIX now (if that's what it's been set to control)...you will get a fully whacked sound as your tap tempo goes from the 'saved' one to the 'new' one you tapped in. Furthermore...switching delay patches is wierd. Let's say i have a multi-head delay going, and i want to fade the mix out, then bring in a reverse delay, as soon as i turn the model knob...i get sound! the mix is all the way down...but when you go to the new model...it's own 'preset' settings of the knobs, including the mix, comes up...so you're quickly grabbing the mix knob to turn it down by touching it really quick. I have been enjoying it more as a tabletop delay modeler for recording than anything else, lately...but then, i've been just recording more than playing live, lately. which brings up another question...the DL4's inputs are very sensitive and it is easy to clip it. If i'm using it in the fx loop of my mixer, should i run the fx send all the way up, then use some sort of level switcher to bring it down to passive level, then into the DL4, then back to a couple of input channels? Or should i just barely turn up the fx send in order to keep from clipping, then bring back the output from the DL4 to the fx returns (this is the way i've been doing it lately, with semi-satisfactory results...can't seem to get a real full delay sound) any thoughts would be helpful, rich >Hi again....There have been some questions about the DL4 from folks >looking to invest their hard earned currency in an easy-to-use >looper. I really do have to recommend the DL4. It is very useful, >versatile, and easy to use. And to echo another on the list....very >portable. My "Pack-it-up easy" rig is my bass to a Line 6 MM4, a >Line6 DL4 and amp. While it does not have all the features of >JamMan, EDP, or Repeater it does have some very cool features in a >very easy to use format. It has GREAT sound quality, it is rugged >and reliable.....and very affordable. >Just a little story about mine: I have a grant to teach music and >Calif. State prisons (oh, the things we do to avoid getting a real >job). In November I was asked to do a short "tour" of some >institutions and play several concerts as a solo bassist. I wanted >to do loop/bass stuff, but for security concerns was not allowed to >bring rack mounted things in...pedals were OK, tho.(easier to open >up and search for contarband I guess). I had demo'd and was >intrigued by the DL4 (My friend Rick Walker had raved about it) so I >tried to get one...really fast. Ordered from the internet Mars >Music.com.I had about a week before the "tour" started.... it >arrived pronto. But it was defective. Made some crazy-assed noise >like the Ring Modulator from Hell (which was, in a David Torn sort >of way, cool....but not what I needed). I contacted MArs to get a >new one, but the corporate red tape said that they had to get the >bad DL4 back before they could send me out a new one. One of their >Cust. Service reps said maybe Line6 could help me out. He contacted >Line 6 for me and within an hour of that Line 6 called me at home. I >explained my dilemma. It was now thurs. afternoon and my first show >was to be that coming Monday. I was readying myself to do a tour of >my best Jonas Hellborg solo acoustic bassist imitations. Line 6 >asked to hear the defective unit over the phone....asked about >batteries or AC, and had I done a reset. Then they asked how soon I >needed a replacement. My response was by tomorrow. Well, Friday >morning FedEx showed up with a brand new DL4 coutesy of Line6. They >had overnighted it to me, and told me to send the bad one back to >them at my convienience. >Sure, Line6 is a big corporate monster....but they bailed me out of >a jam, and took a "chance" that I would give them their defective >unit. Sure, didn't cost them anything, but it gave them my respect. >They broke a standard returns protocol to help out a musician..... >No, I do not have an endorsement with them, nor do I work for them. >I thought that I might pass on a tidbit of how one corporate musical >monster does really care about their products and customer >satisfaction; that is willing to take a stand behind their products. >I wonder if Gibson would be willing to do such for an EDP user? >In short...for the money, you can't go wrong snagging a DL4. You will >love it! >Max >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com