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John, problem is Always the same!!! Only a few people really want to work hard at things, in ANY field. On the Eventide users group there have been many things going on, like offering presets to the whole community (more than 300 are already available for FREE to everybody), talk about "how to..s" and more. Now what can you say if people DO NOT contribute with their works or their questions and answers? I tell you why...most of them didn't do their hard work like others did. Still me and a few others are there helping out users to learn to program their units, solve their problems. You should see how many mails every day I get from all over the world from people asking to fix this or that or how to make up this function or else, because their are VERY close to an important work, like a mix down or mastering of cds, movies and more. Many even call or write TO BUY my libraries or to have custom designed ones, from very simple programs up to the more strange or hard to program. Still...only a few do their hard work and only a few in that very small group are willing to "share" with the whole group. Eventide tells users to call me for help...and I don't get paid by them. You lost free counseling. In your long lurking time You NEVER asked anything - Never contributed W/questions or answers - never got in a chat to SEE what is going on almost every night - vever downloade Vsig editor and asked for a databas to load into it and see how does it feel to program an Eventide without even having to buy it!!! all together we people doing this ir real time on the chat!!!-you never did anything...and you're here to pretend what??????????...or complining about my "too frequent" presence on that list? Should say thanx ! ! ! At least the group is growing, more and more are TAKING active part in all the new things going on. It's not my fault if "famous" people(...please no names, just check them in the members list and if you have enough experience in the field You're going to recognize lots of "who") don't contribute actively; there are many reasons why this may happen: 1)They don't really have the time 2)They have an attitude like "I only sell my programs" 3)They are not able to do it yet 4)They are assholes willing others doing all for them and that's it or think "community is kids stuff" 5)don't care at all you might think of other reasons for it. I'm sure of one thing, since the list is on, Eventide has sold many dozens of their units; used gear worldwide market has seen lots of people buying used Eventides, lots of people write to Eventide , being enthusiast for the knowledge and service they get out of the group, like I'm sure it happens on Looper's Delight too, with a different but similar products range and quality. I'm sorry if you didn't get useful infos for you,...I'm not sorry if you're not getting an Eventide!!!. I love KYMAS as much as I love my 2 Orvilles, Dsp4000, H3000D/SX, Lexicon Pcm80 and Jamman...and hopefully Repeater if this painful LOOONG comedy about it will ever end ;-)) I'd really like to couple Kyma to my set-up but you can't have EveryThing in your life. I simply think Kyma is on top of many applications in the market...very creative, VERY POWERFUL and I don't have stupid "but" on or against it...Kyma is GREAT ! ! ! Problem is only You're complaining about a big knowledge free to anybody that ONLY *YOU* didn't get!!! Neither you did anything to get it...sorry for you...this attitude will be a bigger problem on a mighty platform like KYMA. ...and BTW, Orville,DSP7000//7500 manuals are FREELY downloadable from Eventide website...don't need to request them or pay for...again, it was up to YOU to get them. I hope you did ...but you never asked about anything...we didn't notice your existence, needs and curiosities. Best wishes Italo ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tidwell" <wedgehed@yahoo.com> To: "Loopers Delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 10:45 AM Subject: Thank you Dennis Leas... > I'll follow your advice & order the Kyma manual. > > I've been lurking on the Eventide users site for the > past several months trying to pick up info on the > Eventide Eclipse. Unfortunately, lurking there means > reading Italo's posts on what he doing to Orville! > I would love to have an Orville. I simply can't afford > one. All of this got me thinking about Kyma again. > > It's a classic case of gear-slut rationalization. > I slowly work myself up to possibly spend $2k on an > Eclipse (but I really want the Orville!) & then > realize that for ONLY $1k more I could have Kyma! > > AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!! > > Thank you, I feel better now. > > John > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >