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i didn't bring up the Crowley reference, and my apologies for carrying the thread further off topic. i was merely surprised at the rapid transition from DJ's to Crowley (where else but here?), and stating my own personal preference for Regardie's straightforward approach to disseminating information...in contrast to the twists, turns and traps of Crowley's. I'm sure i didn't think it through well enough and made a flippant comment (boy, what a surprise). back to the dj's? best, rich