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In a message dated 6/21/2001 7:10:38 PM, j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net writes: << The rhythms of traditional North Indian classical music are truly cyclical >> the linear compositions you hear are nested in a totally cyclic rhythm with sam and kali falling on the same beat each time through depending on the taal one is focusing on... my main purpose in bringing this subject to the list was that tabla is such a loop based instrument... if you consider the fundamental taals they are trully little phrases or loops of specific bols/strokes such as simple teentaal: dha dhin dhin dha dha dhin dhin dha na tin tin na na dhin dhin dha I think it is however perfectly understandable to hear tabla as linear in instrumental or solo performance... if you want to hear tabla in a more cyclical manner I would suggest listening to some classical vocal music of north india and focusing on the tabla when present. I think as far as tabla machines go I prefer the riyaz master as well and yea Im totally tempted to go buy a handsonic because the tabla sounds are great but I just for now prefer my full scale but little tabla... hehe. peace out, K.