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At 2:18 PM +0000 7/10/01, Brian Parker wrote: >What are you talking about in that reply? No shit your not a dj. I'm >looking for people who mix vinyl or cd's in clubs or raves who add >loops to their sets. By definition these types of people are dj's >and their auduences DO consider them dj's. dj='disc' jockey. OK, my young friend, I'll spell it out: Despite the fact that I'm an old codger who couldn't care less about the DJ scene per se, I have been using similar techniques in performance since you were in nappies. I try to be generous with my knowledge of performance technology, and I thought that despite the aesthetic differences between what DJs commonly do and the live electroacoustic music created by us old-timers there might be something of interest in what I described. Many of the hipper DJs and techno artists know the history of electroacoustic music, and the use this knowledge to enrich their own music. For this reason Pierre Henry is revered as the godfather of remix. In my experience, creative artists a quick to recognize useful concepts and techniques no matter where these may be found. Many of the tools used by electronic musicians had their origins in far different fields, by at one time or another someone was clever enough to realize how something could become useful in a musical context. In my response to your query I described several specific techniques that I have developed for my own work. While some of these may have been implemented with equipment that is outside your budget, that doesn't mean that they can't be achieved in some form with more affordable gear. I also made a point of the fact that I still use funky old equipment in combination with this other gear, because some of the old stuff has interesting features. Finally, I described a technique for wresting some unusual and useful functionality out of an otherwise fairly mundane mixer. Did you take my offering as an opportunity to learn something? Nope. Instead you just reacted to the fact that I'm not a DJ and flamed me for it. BTW - I do know that DJ stands for "Disk Jockey." I used to listen to Alan Freed and Murray the K. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz