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> > hmm... I dont really create infinite loops... as everyone may know by > > now, I think the spiral represents best what we do... I've only joined the list recently and this is my first mail. My 2 cents on t-shirts. The mobius design is v nice, I'd be interested in a tshirt with such a design. One idea of a less abstract (and maybe cheesy) design is the notion of a tape loop (think reel-to-reel deck). Either a black and white (overhead?) picture of a tape deck set up with loop. This would have quite a retro feel, and I'm not sure wether laypeople would recognise the customised tape and thus get the loop connection. The idea is perhaps flawed :-) However, communicating the notion of loopbased music in an image form to non-loopers is an interesting design challenge. The mobius strip looks great, but is pretty esoteric and 'cool' in that detached 90's kind of way. People can of course go to the url... A technical question - I'm intruged by the roland sp-808, but the idea of having everything run off a zip disk is scary to me. Has anyone had the zip crap out, or is the engineering suitably reliable? I wondering how to take my music live, and have come down to either an EMU esi 32 or 4000 with zip and Peavey 1100 midi controller, or an sp-808. (both setups probably about 500-600dollars secondhand in 6 months, if not less) The emu/peavey combo is in theory much more proffesional, but I feel the 808 will be more fun and actually help create new music, rather than just giving live control over whats already on my harddisk. I had an esi32 years ago, so I know what it can do. Jamie