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http://www.fringedigital.com/brook/instrumentation/infinite.shtml scroll on down and there is an description of the kramer sustainiac/fernandes sustainer by the guy who developed them. take care, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/