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For me it was about mid 70's. I was a college student and found out I could check out A-V equipment on my student passport. I got a bunch of stuff, 3M Wollensacks (sp?), ugly, old reel-to-reels, etc. I had great fun looping a D3 Clavinet, Rhodes and Port-B. But only in the basement. There's something about using real tape that is sooo satisfying. It's like woodworking. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com