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> Or how about we all donate a pint of blood if we really want to help. I > think that would be a lot more appreciated. Kevin *** You mean *only* *appreciated*, not *objectively* *helpful*, right? Otherwise I would love to know how one can evaluate physical touchable versus spiritual invisible help. I actually am thinking a lot about looping positive energy, verbal or otherwise. Any feelings about this? It seems to me that in fact making a loop containing a positive energy, although then kept mechanically running, could be seen in the same way as engraving sacred symbols into a rock, making icons, or whatever else in this realm. petr