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>I love New York so much. How could anyone be so horrible? /t So do I, so do I. No matter how many times I saw that plane hit, and the tower exploding and crumbling to the street on the tv, each time I felt like I was getting punched, hard, in the gut, thinking of all the people who were dying. I was hardly able to sleep last night. But as far as how anyone can be so horrible, as you said, there are are very concrete reasons for it, as some people on the list have mentioned. I hate to say, but this act is pretty much political karma. We can't brutalize other countries, developing, or "third world countries" either directly, as in the case of Iraq, or indirectly, as in the case of Iran under the Shah, or the Palestinians through our support (political, selling of arms, etc) of Israel without the brutality eventually making its way back home to us. These are just a few examples, obviously, as there are many from Latin America also, as Andy pointed out in an earlier post. America is the bully of the worlds playground, and the Americans on this list (and I am one of them) should be aware of this. (By the way, I hope I dont end up sounding pedantic, or insulting to anyone's intelligence, if I do, sorry). Please dont make the mistake of thinking that I'm saying I condone what happened- I'm just saying there are a lot of reasons why a lot of people in the developing world are taking a lot of satisfaction in our pain- based on their experience of what the American government is like, and how it has affected them, they see it, and quite reasonably so, as the little guy giving the big bad bully of the global school yard one hell of an unbelievable sucker punch. The Palestinians arent celebrating what happened yesterday because they are "crazy," "radical," "fundamentalist," or innately "bad" or violent somehow. We have given them, by our actions, a lot of reason to do so. Who is a terrorist, and who is a nationalist/freedom-fighter? The only difference between the two, the only thing deciding what word you use is who's side yer on. We need to find out more about why things like this happen- not simply exhibit knee-jerk reactions and bark jingoistic nonsense. Meanwhile the innocent suffer for the sins of the few in power. This is totally inapropriate for a list about looping, but having spent a lot of time in the West Bank and also having lived in Egypt, certain posts have just made it too hard for me to stay in lurk mode. I really dont want to start a politcal type flame war though, so if any one really feels the need to attack me please do it off-list, preferably not for a sustained period of time. Peace, j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp