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Well, that's what I wanted to hear. Well, even at $29.00 bucks, I'd hate to be stuck with a Red Herring..... I have Fruity Loops 3.1.1, and a ton of of DirectX Plugins already, so this might just be a moot point... it seems that Plasma just integrates all the things I have now in one app.... hummmmm Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://go.to/ldarthard/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Dave Hastings" <dhastings@earthlink.net> To: <dj_devious_d@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Cakewalk Plasma - Is It Any Good ? Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:49:50 -0700 If it makes any difference, registered Sonar owners can get it for $29. I don't have it, so I don't know if it's any good. You can get demo versions of Fruity Loops at www.fruityloops.net. I don't know what the current demo restrictions are, but back in the early version 2, it was a track number limitation (only 4). As for the effects, you can get programs to convert joystick input to MIDI CC (midijoy for example), and given Sonar's ability to automate DX effects, I would think you could simulate the 'morph between presets thing' (haven't tried it myself). And, the text leads one to believe that you are stuck with whatever the Plasma FxPad guys thought up for presets. They mention using other DX effects, but they definitely don't claim you can morph them with FxPad. Just my two cents (without actually owning or using Plasma) -daveh -------------- Dave Hastings dhastings@earthlink.net "Everyone has a little secret he keeps I light the fires while the city sleeps" MC 900Ft Jesus _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp