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This may seem obvious, but if it's 12 seconds you want, record a blank 12 second loop on the repeater, then go into overdub mode and you should be able to avoid the bump issue altogether. Yes, recording 12 seconds of dead space in a live performance setting might not be convenient. -----Original Message----- From: Simeon Harris [mailto:simeon.harris@bbc.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:16 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: stereo delay i sold my two jammans to buy a repeater, but at the moment it's not cutting the mustard with respect to ambient loops, because of the "bump" problem on the loop boundary - so i was thinking about getting some sort of delay device, so i can carry on making my ambient loops. what i need is actually a very simple device - two 12 second delays in parallel, but there doesn't seem to be anything out there that will do the job in a rack unit - i could get two echoplexes, or try and find another two jammans, or use two of the new line 6 echo pros, or use two tc electronic d-two's, but they will all cost me masses of wedge! can anybody think of a cheaper option, or know where i could get something made, that's not going to cost me an arm and a leg - it's only a delay unit, after all! cheers, sim This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated.