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>R&D budgets in the future require sales in the present..... > >thanks for your support, the 2 'Plexes i bought new (for a total of $1500 and a year of waiting) were the best compositional tools i've used ... and i do occasionally regret selling them. but, sales in the present require a price point which is at least competetive. if the 'plex was only 3 bills, no one would be buying 'rangs 'peaters 'el-fours dee2s or _any_ of them ... they all have _stupid_ hardware problems. gibson would have the market totally locked down and cornered and be raking it in, even at the lower price point. unfortunately they still seem stuck in the seventies. it's unreasonable to stick an $1150 (AND CLIMBING!!!) list price on a delay that's 16-bit and 41 khz in the year 2001. it doesn't matter to me if it _does_ have the best UI and software in the world for it. yeah with group buys and whatnot it's slightly more affordable, but you shouldn't need to undertake such activities to have the opportunity to pay FULL RETAIL IN 1996 price for a 'plex in 2001. remember, while the price of nearly every other tool in the industry has gone down in the past decade, the echoplex price continues to rise. there was a time when the echoplex listed at $400 or $500. i've never seen a company act with such market stupidity as gibson. i know no one on this list has anything to do with gibson's pricing. please, kim, don't take my semi-public comments as any kind of personal critisicm. i'm just voicing my concern, one no one seems to ever address. i really do feel sorry for you and matthias, for this predicament your baby is in, but not sorry enough to accrue major debt buying into it again. ... i'm going to go make some RDS loops now ... Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com