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thank you for listening ... i'm glad someone realises what a problem this is. all arguments about os, interface, audio quality etc seem moot to me when the cost issue is figured into things. for example, my girlfriend wanted a looper. she thought about the DL4 and the Akai Headrush, then i pointed out the 'plex and the boomerang. the echoplex lists for 1150, and retails for 800. the boomerang lists for like 600 or 700, but she was able to get one new for 340 usd. the boomerang sounds like poopy, but it's got a useable interface, it's built better than most of 'em, and it's only 50 bucks more than the Line6 pedal. she scoffed at the idea of paying $900 (including footcontroller) for a looper ... her '79 marshall stack and fender jaguar together didn't cost that much! i did not realise it was now a uk-made product. when there's a 300 dollar 'plex ... i'll be first in line with an order for two, don't worry. i have no idea if the current echoplex will ever reach that price point, and i don't expect (or ask) you to speculate any further than you have. thanks, Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com