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I vouch for Cliff on the grounds that he's be around here a while now. And also I volunteer my scanning services, if needed. Perhaps the job should be split, ( in which case I'd go for the vortex) ....and I vouch for me on the grounds that I've been asking for a copy of the specs to put on line for some time now :-) andy butler oh and Jason, the T-shirt check's in the post ...er tomorrow.