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Hello fellow loopers-- This message goes out to those of you who have used the Zoom 508 for delayish short loops--I got this one a few weeks ago and recently unpacked it (!) and put it to use--the only trick I have come up with is setting the feedback to 99 (still fades too fast, huh) and toggling between patches with the effect set to 50 and 0--using the external pedal (I'm using a Roland DP-2) for tap times. It's problematical, fer sure--but still loads of quick fun. I'm just wondering if I'm missing something obvious in terms of usability--the record doesn't begin until you tap the time, since it's really a delay and not a looper--any tips from old masters (John Price, maybe?) of this cool unit? Gary PS If I really had the time, I'd get a Repeater--but I still eagerly await that EDP upgrade--Harvey Starr says the new software looper (MIDI) for the Ztar sends clock! Ohboyohboyohboy . . .G