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The Young Vant Garde is ready to assist you. Kid Lucky >From: Tom Ritchford <tom@swirly.com> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> >Subject: [loop nyc] progress with NYC loopfest >Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:29:24 -0500 > >There has been progress since my last update. > > >1. more names. > >Of course, there are more people interested: >I have a more complete list of names of people interested >which I'll post a little later this week -- see below. > > >2. chashama. > >I did make phone contact with Chashama. They were friendly >but non-committal. (Which is good -- they probably deny >most requests immediately.) > >I agreed to send PR materials and a logistical plan, >informally for Monday. email is fine. > >More on that below -- but here's the plan I'm hatching. > > >3. A bigger plan. > >I am going to propose a three-day meeting here in New York >with two nights of concerts in a place where we can keep >our gear set up. It will probably have to be on three >weekdays... > >I think that this is a more attractive plan for almost >everyone with a lot less stress and tons more fun. > > >4. group questions > >I'm going to write up the plans more specifically but first I want to >ask some questions of the group. > > >4.1. help booking? > >In my current incarnation, I realize that I'm bad at booking. >My day job is in an open-plan office and everyone hears everything >I do, so I just don't make phone calls. > >I have Chashama in-hand but if this falls through, which is probably >a better than even chance just given the intransigent nature of the >universe, we're going to have to scale the thing down and then try >to book it into a bunch of places. > >Any volunteers who are good at this? > >I didn't have all the facts at my fingertips when I called Chashama >and thus I didn't come off as completely professional. > >I'm going to get more of the facts compiled from you lot (see questions >below!) > > > >4.2. Other spots that would allow a workshop. > >If Chashama doesn't bite, it's not clear that there will be a place >that will let us do the workshop in the day and play at night. > >Any ideas? > > >4.3. Web design. > >I can support a website fine on my server. > >But design is not really my bag. > >(I'd do something with one of my photos >http://clikTrik.com if I had to I suppose... >a la http://fortNY.com) > >Any web designers here (after all the abuse you've taken here recently?) > > >4.4. PR materials. > >Do we have any materials about the various California Looper's >shows (and what's the exact name?)? How many people showed >up? How many players? How long? Who? etc. etc. > >Any other materials that might help us book a gig? > >Best list of famous loopers? > >Short list of names that are interested and a draw? > > >4.5. VISUALS! > >How could I forget this? If we are going to do >loopy shows, we need loopy visuals. > > >I think I can get people to do this though. >If someone who does this is on the list and interested >(there is at least one person who might fit this bill) >then that would be even better. > >Don't let me drop this on the floor. > > >4.6. T-shirts! > >If someone wanted to make T-shirts... we'd need something interesting >though. > >simple suggestion: a simple design describing the show except that >we cut two quite large perfect circles out of the T-shirt "randomly". > >loops, get it? > >people like holes in things. a lot of people >like a chance to show off their bodies or just to have layers... >so they can wear their looper t-shirt and something >else cool underneath that that just peeks out... > >(at least, people in New York do!) > > >4.7. Outreach to EDP, Electrix, music stores!? > >If we are going to do a show like this then surely the >manufacturers would want to have a little chance to >show off their wares and answer questions? > >Another nice possibility would be loaner instruments >for out-of-country visitors? > >Does anyone want to volunteer for this fun job? > > >4.9. Co-organizers needed! > >If we do such a large thing (and I'm still VERY open to >having two or three groups get together and play a >night at the Knit) I'm going to need help with the >organization of this. > >I can handle the technical logistics well and it will >all work perfectly. Serving and managing the website >is ok too. > >I'd love to offload the calling people up and >getting people's details and that sort of information >to someone else. I have a list... > >Volunteers solicted! > > >4.10. Full bands?? > >I'm of two minds about whether we should allow full bands >with a live drummer to play. > >The moment we introduce live drums, we move the PA requirements >up if he's a hard-hitting rock drummer. > >A jazz drummer -- or any drummer who doesn't play loud >all the time -- would probably be fine. > >Am I being too draconian? > > > > >5. Logistical plan for the show. > >I'm going to write up a logistical plan based on about two dozen looping >performers attending the conference (meeting? collective? hang? >activity? thing?) >perhaps another three dozen drop-ins who'd come to see the workshops > >and perhaps fifteen formal "acts" over three evenings where we'd advertise >and charge admission to the public. > >the first night would be "random loops" and we could charge $3 and >make it an "open loop jam". warn people how terrible it could be. > > > > >And a three and a half day meeting. > >We'd have to throw ourselves on the >mercy of the venue for the space. But Chashama indicated that >they were much more open to weekdays. > > > first day, load in and show. worst Sun, best Thursday. > second day, workshop and show, Mon, Fri > third day, jam and show. Tue, Sat > half day, load out. Wed, Sun > > >We might charge $20-60 to attend all three days and $5-15 for each show? >That sort of thing? > >Of course, if you came for the days, the show would be free. > > >This would give a lot of people who want to loop with others a chance >to play and jam in a friendly experimental atmosphere where you >can simply stop and fiddle with the gear for a while. > > >and people with acts that they want to push or that might be >a draw can play more formally in the evenings. > > > >6. More comments from you are solicited. > >Am I overreaching? Is it too big a thing? > >I think it's almost as easy to organize three days as >a long complicated evening, frankly. > >And it will be EASIER to pull off when we do it. >I was sweating about the logistics of that quick >load-in for one night. We won't need that! > > >It'll be much more of a reason for people to come out of town. >If you're coming from Europe or Asia, it isn't worth >coming for a single day, but three days is a bite-sized >meal -- take a few extra days to see New York and you >have a splendid vacation. > > >We'll generate tons and tons of material if we make a >point of recording everything and we can have a lot of fun. >Doing it for two days -- or three! gives people a chance to >stretch out a little bit. > >In fact, I suspect that three days is the optimum: one day >to set up and get to know each other; one day to actually workshop; >one day to play. Perhaps I'll try to book that (I mean, >three is as easy as two, if you think about it -- there's >no difference in the organization) and then if they >DON'T like that we can "back off" to two days? > > > >Chashama is a perfect location. If we do it on a weekday, >we could set up there and perhaps even have loopers >SLEEPING there, the ULTIMATE in security! So we could >leave all the gear set up for the whole time and not >worry about it -- it'd be a riot! > >(Crime is very very low in New York. You are much more >likely to get robbed or killed in London, eg, than New York City! >And there are police everywhere around Times Square right now. >But you must always take precautions everywhere.) > > > >7. What next? > >I'm going to prepare a logistical plan. > >You're going to send me answers to my questions, >opinions and just plain abuse. > >The domain has been purchased and it has been installed >on the server, in a couple of days you'll all be able >to see the web site though there will be little on it. > >Someone, hopefully not me, will put html and images >to make a nice neat little web site there. > >I'll get the list of names up on the new site >then in an unpretty style like before and then >we can turn that into a nice web site. > >On Monday or thereabouts I'll send the information >to Chashama, which will consist of: > >-- a one page description >-- a simple web site (names, description, pr) >-- a logistical proposal of how it will work. > > > > >http://whatGoes.com ............................. extreme NY calendar. >http://TomRitchford.com/endOverEnd ... I'm writing a novel in November. >http://fortNY.com ............................... 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