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In a message dated 09/11/01 16:25:41 GMT Standard Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > i have nero v5 and i was pretty sure i had done this, > so i just did it again and this works: thanks Jim, I found things just like you said. Trying it now. Takes ages for the "oscilloscope to appear" (hour long track), but looks good for getting the right result. andy butler