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pbadore: >Hedawa7 has written: .....ummm, actually, that's 'HEDEWA7'. >I did not say that "all loopists" were "attempting" anything! I'm >referring >to an occasional download from either LD or Elephant Talk by those, like >me, who have their creative roots in Crim-related material. i had no way of knowing to what/whom you were referring, as what you said was: >> >> >I've noticed whenever someone attempts Soundscapes they're really >> performing >> >> >Frippertronics. .....and i tend to take email, literally. (unless, of course, i missed some previous explicatory missive, in which case i apologise for being such an ass, again.) >What I meant was, >on occasion, when someone features their work as Soundscapes (which, from >listening to RF's CDs, employs a less repetitious pattern with drastic >fading after only a few repeats at most) it sounds more akin to >Frippertronics (which employs constant repetition with almost unnoticable >fading until you realize it's almost gone several minutes later). Got >it? >Just those people in particular, not the entire looping community! again, i understood you to mean 'all' or 'most' loopists, not just those arising from the legions of robert's quasi-disciples. >But, as I implied, I don't have a problem with it; just an observation. >No offense >was meant to anyone regarding this; nevertheless, if you have something >bad up your nose, by all means grab a hanky and blow! well: i did! and will ever continue to do so..... >And to Chris Muir: I'm fully aware of the works of Riley, Reich, and >Oliveiros. However, no one has brought out this technique to the public >at large better than Fripp & Eno, for obvious reasons. hmmmmm...... i'm *really* not sure about that, when it comes to the complexity of specifics. >Just as Jimi Hendrix >innovated electric guitar techniques even though he didn't invent the >instrument hmmmmm...... a misplaced analogy, methinks. >or D.W. Griffith innovated storytelling in the movies without >inventing cameras or film (though his praising of the KKK leaves a lot >to doubt), >F&E took this invention and turned it into their own separate >entities. while idiosyncratic 'synthesis/incorporation' may well include some elements & traces of 'innovation', i generally think of the word 'innovation' as implying an actual genesis:birth of something 'new'; .....seems to me that it's pretty common in the art/music world for highly visible 'synthesisers' to become regarded as innovators, due in large part to baseline consensus realities created by mass-distributed 'secondary' media, eg advertisements, magazines, television events, et al, and agreed upon, to some degree, 'by default': the baseline. (which also implies that the american concept of 'rugged individualism' is, well, kinda busted..... at least at the baseline). *-) sorry, but: whaddya think? storytime: some years ago, i was playing w/a -errrmmmm- 'major' artist. we were in rehearsal, and at one point, he was playing guitar; i approached him to find out the fingering/inversion of the chord that he was playing. i said: 'so, what exactly are ya playing, there?' he seemed to slightly misinterpret my intention, and replied (nearly fatuously): 'isn't this a nice chord? i invented it, last night'. my rejoinder was: 'actually, it sounds like a G-Maj triad over Eb, or an EbMaj7, b13, contextually', but he turned away, non-plussed, obviously self-satisfied with his recent invention. >So I must disagree that RF "didn't innovate" (you'll have to >refer to your own letter as I've already quoted the above). He is indeed >worthy of the term Frippertronics (and, yes, I'm also aware that the term >started as as joke). okay, then i'm making 'elecTORNica', from here on out..... 8-) >I also hope Soundscapes is becoming the new >fashionable term as "ambient" has now lost its original meaning when Eno >first conceived it. neither of the 2 terms has any meaning for me, anymore, personally: s'just a buncha presumably organised verbal blather, bleached of meaning by a largely numb audience painfully over-eager to define (and be enslaved by) idioms. to quote rahsaan roland kirk: 'bright moments!' 8-)) <snipping> >Finally, thanks Mark Sottilaro for your advice and to those who >recommended >the Repeater. I'm going to try one out now! have fun!, and don't forget that the edp's a great partner for repeater. best, dt / s-c