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IPS-33B was too smart for me--and when I use the Vocalist, I like to send it note on info, so it doesn't try to figure out what I'm doing. The GT-3's got an intelligent harmonizer mode, just send it the root--I use it almost not at all (the sound is only OK). BTW, does anybody know the longest delay time on the (new) GT-6? I assume one can load the GT-3 patches into it with the proper PC patch librarian/editor. Mine is great for effects and amp sims into the looper but the delay is only 1.8 seconds, not quite longer enough to use for looping. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: intelligent pitch shift what is this?.....and the only box that can do it is the eventide billion dollar thingie.....i think just about every box i have does some sort of "pitch shifting" and when i smack them all together they cause a big noise.....intelligent? i dont know, thats why i ask, what is ips.....:)m