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>>> So say I, get out there and book up some gigs - it'd probably help if >you > had some sort of tape of the kind of thing you're doing, just so venue > owners etc. know what they are getting, but if you're willing to play for > free, you may well be able to find coffee shop stuff to get some practice... >??? >Steve Sandberg is a professional musician.<<< >>>I also agree with the general attitude about doing several shows as practice, and would agree with Steve's idea that a low-key coffeehouse environment can be a good way to go. I sympathize with David Beardsley's comment about Steve Sandburg (or anyone else) being a professional...<<< ...I had been a professional musician for about 7 years before I started doing loop gigs, had played to audiences of up to about 6-7,000 all over Europe with various bands, toured pretty much continuously for three years etc. etc. when it came to doing loop gigs, it was like starting again. I had to rethink it - it's almost like taking up a new instrument, or even a different artistic discipline. And the approach changes. Being a pro doesn't negate the need to get out and play in front of an audience. if you have a 'following' of sorts, that could even make it harder to do, not wanting to f*** up in front of people who know you as a stunning [insert musical style or performance mode here]... No offence or devaluation of Steve's art was intended at all - with improvised music, it seems to me that a new dynamic appears, and practicing improvising, particularly as it relates to looping, is a whole different area... I'm still quite happy to play for free if the setting gives me a chance to do something I wouldn't otherwise get to do - I express it by saying that I'll never play for nothing, but what I get from it (or give to it) won't neccesarily be financial... big festive love Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk