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Let me tiptoe into the fray and offer a couple of ideas... In my opinion, the most important things to consider here are: -- What am I trying to do? -- What is the best way to accomplish that? All of the peripheral issues that have sprung up from this thread, with regards to payment, professionalism vs. amaturism, reputation, and so forth, are worth mulling over, but I actually don't think they have that much to do with the core issue. As far as I can see it, that issue (and the answer to the two questions posed above) is: -- A guy wants to become more proficient at looping in a live context. -- Just about every single reply to that question has recommended doing gigs in order to obtain that end, preferably of the low-key variety so that the 'research and development' phase can be as low-key and anxiety-free as possible. That being the case, I honestly don't think the issue of anyone's particular background is all that relevant. What IS relevant is that specific person finding an approach that will allow them to improve in the areas they're looking at. So, Steve Sandburg's resume is very impressive, but he himself has professed anxiety about using looping in a live context. One good solution to that, as recommended by many folks here, is to get more practice doing it live. Whether that happens at a coffeehouse, a loft space, or the Knitting Factory is really beside the point, I think, as is whether he needs to make a demo or can book a gig strictly on the strength of his reputation. The principle is basically the same, and that principle is: people who have done a significant amount of loop gigs recommend doing a bunch of low-pressure gigs in order to better integrate that technology into one's natural performance routine. I honestly think Steve L's advice has the same fundamental merit regardless of who it's being offered to, especially since Mr. Lawson was himself a pro with an impressive CV prior to getting into looping, and has more solo looping gigs under his belt than most people you're likely to run into. I didn't see anything demeaning or disrespectful in his advice, or that of anyone else here, and I certainly hope it isn't misconstrued in that way. Learning how to coordinate the mechanics of whatever looping hardware and/or processing gear you're using really is a whole technique and skill in itself, especially if you're trying to integrate all of those things is a seamless, fluid, real-time manner. It is much like learning a new instrument. Or, from a different point of view, think of it as the looping equivalent of Sonny Rollins practicing on the Brooklyn Bridge. Anyway, enough from me. Best wishes to everyone... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com