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DT > 'free improv' is whatya make it, no? in my world, it's never truly free..... unless the players have damaged &/or short-circuited memories. Granted... Memory sometime sucks! *-) Although I'm fighting on the side of retention! > otoh: in my experience, it doesn't approach being 'free' until it allows for the 'free' inclusive use of *any* of the so-called 'restrictive' elements, eg riddim/melody/harmony/idiom. dt / splattercell There's the rub... Damned if ya do; Damned if ya don't! It's a strange claustrophobic sorta feeling when the formal "FREE IMPROV" is used. I'm beginning to think avoiding it is the real trick... at least here in the SF Bay area. +!+!+!+!+!+!+!+! -Miko