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Hi all I've been lurking on and off for a few years, don't think I've ever posted. Anywho, my primary long delay is a Korg SDD-2000. When feedback is cranked and the preamp section is just a tad overloaded the sound degenerates in such a dirty, fractured and grungy way that to me is pure magic. My only complaint is I would like a bit more than 4.368 seconds of delay. I've tried the old 12 bit DODs and Digitechs, they had the warmth I like but not the grunge. The Jamman is way to clean for me. The same goes for all 16 bit machines. I've considered getting a DL4 but from what I understand the bit reduction settings don't allow for more then 2.6 seconds of delay, I really need more time then that. The Line 6 Pro unit looks good but it's too pricey for me. My question is are there other boxes out there with the characteristics I'm l described? How are the old Ibanez/Maxon 8 bit boxes? Can they be tweaked out for longer delay lengths? Or perhaps there's some way of getting the same effect using a Digitech/DOD 8 second unit but degenerating the sound outboard in the feedback loop. Any ideas or suggestions are welcome. thanks steve d http://www.mp3.com/skullsaw Music and Marmoset Recipes http://skullsaw.topcities.com/