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Here's a copy of a post a I made about my favourite EDP trick with Loop3. It still works in Loop4, but you need to press one more button to make it work. ... the bit at the end about how I ought to be working still olds true! Extracts part of a loop and reverses it, while allowing you to keep the original. SampleMode=Att Switchquant=CnF InsertMode=REV MoreLoops=2 Quantise=OFF Set up a loop Hit Nextloop Wait till start of section you want to reverse and hit Multiply At end of selection for reversal hit Insert (REV) Now you've got a bit of your loop suddenly going backwards. If you were playing over the top of this then that will get overdubbed and reversed. Go back to original loop with NextLoop followed by Undo, with this set up it will start from the beginnning of the loop. (On the whole, the Multiply >>> Insert (=REV) combination is an interesting one. Not covered in the manual, though Kim has mentioned it in terms of recording a long phrase over a repeated loop, then finishing with reverse ) My biggest wish for the new loop4 software is (apart from the crazy stuff) to be able to Multiply without having to overdub, if only in delay mode. andy butler (should be working)