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Hi Kim, Thanks for the positive response, Do you have any recordings available to hear you do it? I'll notify the list when I post it for download. You've inspired me to put something demonstrative together. and is there some place we can go see you do it live? Not yet, I just moved from the CA Bay Area (Palo Alto) to Northern VA (Fairfax area), and haven't gotten into the local scene enough to make contacts with anyone who would know where to advise one to go on such matters. I would really enjoy that. <--Thanks, so would I. I've heard of dj radar before, and was fascinated. he even plays turntable for an orchestra piece, and developed a system of notation for scratching right? <--Yes he did, he didn't really develop it, as it's just a modification of staff notation, like you would see for a percussionist, since his arguement is that the turntable is a single note instrument, and can be viewed similarly to a drum or other single-note instrument. Therefore, by annotating the types of scratch technique with prescribed symbols, and usually, a lot of 32nd and 64th notes, you are able to articulate the idea or structure. However, I wish he would actually mention the fact that what he uses is not a "customized sampler" with no name, but a "looper" that happens to be an EDP. (I have no idea what he customized on it, probably just audio routing or added phono inputs or something.) <--I agree with you, it was hard to figure out what he was using when I've seen him, he keeps it taped up with black electrical tape. A looper is not the same as a sampler and one doesn't really substitute for the other. I suspect he might just be frustrating other dj's who want to try something like him, but do not know what device to get. If they try to get a sampler it won't work and they might give up. <--That's what keeps my echoplex in business is the fact that you can overdub and undo all to your hearts content. The Mute-Insert combination is what we call ReTrigger. Press Mute. Then press Insert to come out of Mute. This triggers the loop from the beginning to play once and then mute again. It also lets you retrigger, so if you press Insert repeatedly at that point you will get your stutter effect. There is a similar feature using the BeatSync. with the sync parameter set to In, you press Mute and the Multiply. This arms the loop to wait for a trigger on the BeatSync. This can be something like a momentary footswitch, or a pulse output, or even a strong audio pulse. It will trigger and retrigger the loop the same as Mute-Insert does from the front panel. In the next software we are adding some additional midi commands to do retriggers at any time. <--Thanks again for the fantastic advice, you've just made my world loads easier and more fun! D -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Scratch - the movie/DJ's and Echoplexes At 09:57 AM 3/6/2002, Dylan DeAnda wrote: >Here's how I use the turntables with the echoplex: hey Dylan, thanks for posting all of that, I found it really interesting! Do you have any recordings available to hear you do it? and is there some place we can go see you do it live? I would really enjoy that. I always thought that live looping would be completely natural for dj's to get into, I'm glad to see that happening more and more. >If any of this DJ/Sampler hoo ha sounds interesting, I would offer up some >of the better names of DJ's who use a sampler with natural proficiency: >DJ Radar (www.djradar.com) He works with 1 turntable, a mixer and an >echoplex and makes the most fantastic scratch based music as a one-man band. I've heard of dj radar before, and was fascinated. he even plays turntable for an orchestra piece, and developed a system of notation for scratching right? However, I wish he would actually mention the fact that what he uses is not a "customized sampler" with no name, but a "looper" that happens to be an EDP. (I have no idea what he customized on it, probably just audio routing or added phono inputs or something.) A looper is not the same as a sampler and one doesn't really substitute for the other. I suspect he might just be frustrating other dj's who want to try something like him, but do not know what device to get. If they try to get a sampler it won't work and they might give up. Seems to me he could do more to promote the idea among dj's by directing people to the idea of a "looper" instead of a mysterious sampler... >Things I wish I could do with my turntables and echoplex: >I wish I could stutter. I still haven't figured out how to do it with a >single plex. The Mute-Insert combination is what we call ReTrigger. Press Mute. Then press Insert to come out of Mute. This triggers the loop from the beginning to play once and then mute again. It also lets you retrigger, so if you press Insert repeatedly at that point you will get your stutter effect. There is a similar feature using the BeatSync. with the sync parameter set to In, you press Mute and the Multiply. This arms the loop to wait for a trigger on the BeatSync. This can be something like a momentary footswitch, or a pulse output, or even a strong audio pulse. It will trigger and retrigger the loop the same as Mute-Insert does from the front panel. In the next software we are adding some additional midi commands to do retriggers at any time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com