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Andre, Holy Cow! (couldn't contain my excitement any longer...sorry) That's two juicy tips that I've gleened this month. Thanks a million, Andre. This is exactly what I was looking for, I am going to go home and try this around 438 different times with around 439 different beats, to see what comes out. Yeah! I'm feelin' a lot of love in this room right now.......well not that much, since I'm in a "Misty Sand" colored cubicle. Thanks for the love LD. D -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@altruistmusic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 6:44 PM To: dylan@loudcloud.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: solicitation for beat chopping ideas in EDP Hi Dylan, Dylan DeAnda wrote: > I'm trying to culminate some ideas on how to go about getting some more > interesting rhythm patterns out of my echoplex and turntable setup. > > One of the things I'm looking to do is chop the beat up so that I can >keep > cutting it in half and dramatically increasing the rhythmic tension, >until > release. Try this. (It's a bit complex, but should be worth your while). Record a basic drum beat into the EDP. BUT: Before you do that, do a few things - -- Set quantize=on -- Set insertmode=insert I'm assuming you've got the EDP chasing some sort of sync from the turntables. Now... Rather than recording the entire beat as a single cycle, do this instead: 1) Hit record 2) Hit insert WHILE RECORD IS STILL GOING. 3) You should now see that new cycles are forming in the display window of the EDP, even as you're continuing to record the initial loop. 4) When you get to the end of a measure, hit insert again to finish recording the initial loop. What you should have now is a basic loop that's already been subdivided into different cycles, sort of like an EDP version of ReCycle. So, now that you've got a beat that's subdivided in this way, there's all sorts of stuff you can do: -- Remultiply part of the pattern (by hitting multiply at the beginning of the cycle you want to start at, and then ending it somewhere else). This can shorten the pattern; it's also cool to remultiply the loop down to an odd number of cycles, so that you get an odd-metered loop happening against the original beat coming from the turntables. -- After you've remultiplied down to a smaller number of cycles, hit the "undo" button -- you'll start scrolling through different memory laters in interesting and unpredictable ways. This is a trick I stumbled onto (quite by accident) along with David Torn back in March of '98 (I know some other people had discovered it as well, at that point); it's a fun "trick" to pull. My (latest) name for this is "unmultiply." A more advanced application of this basic idea, using multiple loops: -- Once you've recorded your basic loop, keep the original in loop 1, and copy it to several other loops. You can then mess with the original loop to your heart's content, and go back to loop one if you want to return to the original idea. If you have switchquant=on and loopcopy=sound, then you can switch back and forth between different loops, quantized to each new cycle. I've actually done some drum & bass type stuff along these lines (using my guitar as the "drum" source), playing with switching back and forth between loops 2-4 rhythmically, and then landing back on the original, uncut loop at the downbeat of every other bar. Anyway... hope this helps. Holler if I'm not clear on anything here... Best wishes, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com