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>Why so perplexed? You cut down an open performance. By definition, >that means anyone can play. The good thing about that is that all >levels are welcome. Also, that kind of forum is a great place to >experiment and try things out. I agree and although I didn’t realize how sensitive members of this list are, does honest criticism/questioning warrant a hostile attack geared at my musical abilities which were not put on display even at an open jam? Does it warrant a musical challenge (which I accepted being one who enjoys arguing and trys not to talk what I can’t back up)? Does it warrant an individual attack posted to a list for everyone to read (in the days when we argue about private emails being posted to the list)? I don’t think so. My original post obviously came across as me bashing the individual musicians involved which isn’t the case at all…I was questioning/bashing the intentions of the open jam (to an extent). I made some comments with the goal of finding out what the intentions are of list members using the gear…are you looking to have devices that create controlled noise? Are you looking to use these tools to expand what you as an individual musician can create alone? Or not really sure what your intentions are, but you are having a damn fun time pushing buttons and turning nobs while trying to figure them out? I joined this list because their isn’t much venue for people to discuss this gear and if you’ve ever mentioned anything more in depth than the words ‘midi compatible’ to a salesperson at most stores, you get some sort of confused expression and then watch a salesman try and bluff their way through selling a piece of expensive gear that all they know about is what is written on the box. I was trying to find out who I’m dealing with? I’ve been very impressed with the knowledge exchange and wanted to know if this is a group of musicians or just a group of audiophiles or both. Before joining this list, I searched out info on this kind of stuff through other sources, but was lead here as this is pretty much the best place for this kind of information that I’ve come across…and every venue that I explored left me looking for more whether it be knowledge about gear or examples of practicle use (and I use that term loosely). I don’t recall bashing any specific musician or musicians at the loop or even outside of the loop (but I can be wrong…if anyone still has my original post, please send it to me off list – maybe I did say some mean things…at this point I don’t even remember what I wrote), but I did have a complaint that it seemed to me that most of what I’ve seen is musicians (and I use that term even looser) who seem far more concerned with their rigs and buttons than with their music…if people took my general complaint as a personal stab at them, then maybe that says something about their views of what they are doing…and maybe these individuals should be more concerned about how they feel about their art then how others feel about it. I’m sure that almost all ground breaking artists encountered people who didn’t get their art or didn’t like it…but they pressed forward and found their audience. Several people in my life don’t get my music, but then there are plenty of others who actually really enjoy it and find it inspiring…but I know what I’m trying to do and some criticism that I receive has no bearing to me at all, but other types of criticism make me step back and re-evaluate what I’m doing (it depends on the critic and what/how they are critiquing what I do). I’m sorry that folks got offended, but an important part of being an artist is being able to hear constructive criticism and accept those comments that you feel are valid while ignoring those comments that you feel are missing the point you are trying to get across. > Why bother cutting people down? Now if my point exactly…but I think that you have missed the fact that I’m really the one getting directly and deliberately attacked for my opinions. David is getting cut down because he read my post and took it personally. Sorry, but I didn’t say anything about david or about the fretless guitar player (who are the same person) that should have been taken the wrong way…but after seeing his response bashing my opinions and abilities (which he still has not heard), I’m tempted to tear apart his playing and compare him to the people who I look at as ground breaking artists (maybe that’ll knock the chip off of his shoulder). >you went to a traditional gig where you payed money and didn't like it, >well sure, give a review if you must. I wasn’t reviewing the open loop…just posing questions and thoughts about it… >Perhaps they're all very musical at open loop, and your idea of music >is >very narrow. Perhaps…and I would go out and say that on individual levels, I did hear a lot of incredible ideas and playing ability, but as a whole, I heard a lot of noise and every now and then some actual musical connection between musicians. My idea of music is only as narrow as you perceive it to be (apparently)… > Hard for me to say, as I've never heard a NYC open loop. So, like david (on the topic of my abilities), are you commenting on something that you have no bearings on? Are you cutting down my opinions? Should I take this personally? Still believing in one’s right to have an opinion and express it no matter what the popular consensus is and eagerly awaiting all of the bashing on my playing once someone from the list actually hears it… evan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/