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as an eventide owner (DSP7000), i can only say that after i spent the $$$ to get mine, i felt pretty bad...until it arrived and i plugged that baby in. then, i actually felt like i hadn't spent enough! right behind my edp, it's the most indespensible part of my rig. and i've only begun to scratch the surface, having owned it for a few months only. i do know that the eclipse isn't as "open-ended" as the other eventide units, be they more or less expensive. for example, you can edit to the same degree on the eclipse as you can on, say, my unit for example. however, much of the factory presets can be edited...you just can't build you own in vsig (to the best of my knowledge). if you'd like more details, drop by the eventide yahoo group and ask as many questions as you want. everybody there is helpful and usually very willing to offer advice, especially if you're considering "joining the converted" so to speak. -jim