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I'm in definite agreement here. I use loops a lot in my music, but I don't really consider myself as making loop based music. Looping is just a tool I use, like any other in my improvisations. Seattle has an amazing scene, but a looping showcase is completely unnecessary since there are several avant garde weekly series in different venues that will usually feature at least two or three JamMans, Repeaters or DL4s on the stage. So you could say that there are at least a couple looping festivals every week! I would think that Chicago and New York are probably quite similar in this respect. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com --