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!!! Are you sure? I've heard so many performances and recordings using the Echoplex and it always sounds prestine to me. I can't imagine a footpedal has near the s/n specs. The Repeater is quiet, but you have to remember it's a LINE level device, and should NOT be put in front of a guitar amplifier. If it's got a stereo line effects loop, that should be fine. If it's in a mixer's effects send/loop, that's good too, just not anywhere where it will see an instrument (like guitar, keyboards are OK) or mic level amp. It does however have an instrument level in, which is where a lot of confusion lies. Mark Sottilaro c.jas@optusnet.com.au wrote: > I'm considering a 2nd DL4, as i just forked out the cash for a new > Gibson EchoPlex, got i home and was very noisey where ever it was > in the signal chain. I was disapointed! The greatest looping divice, but >i > don't need the noise, so i took it back! I'm Heading towards a Repeater? > At least the DL4 is totally silent. > > > Keith Kotay <kotay@stilton.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > > for practicing purposes...even a little live playing...i would try > > the akai > > > headrush. > > > > > > it won't enter overdub mode until you hit "overdub". it's > > affordable > > > (probably around 140 used) and easy to operate. > > > > > > i used one for a year before i "graduated" to the edp, which blows > > the akai > > > away (needless to say), but for what you've described, the akai > > would be a > > > wise investment. > > > > > > -jim > > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > I've considered the Headrush, but I was put off by the 11.9 second > > loop > > time when overdubbing. It amazes me that Akai made the decision to > > halve > > the overdub loop time in order to support undo. I guess some people > > like > > the undo feature, but there are plenty of others I'm sure (like me) > > who > > would prefer the 23.8 loop time with overdubbing at the expense of > > the undo > > function. Even better would be a switch which would allow the user > > to > > decide between undo and the longer loop time w/ overdub. At the cost > > of 50 > > cents for a switch, Akai probably could have sold a lot more units! > > Also, > > I like the idea that the DL4 has true bypass, and that the DL4 has > > good > > delay effects that I could still use even if I later got a more > > capable > > looper. Actually, the Echo Pro seems to me to be a nice unit: 60 > > sec. > > loop time + MIDI control + nice delays, but it's $500 and then you > > still > > need a MIDI controller for $100+. That's a bit much for me right > > now... > > > > Thanks, > > > > Keith > >