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Andre, Well now, I think we are all just about ready for that Loop IV instructional video now (hint, hint). Of course I'm interested already in the new EDP software and will get it as soon as a little discretionary income appears . . . but I am also curious as heck about how you're doing all that loop mangling to begin with. Yes, the pieces are a tad loooongish but I listened to all of them. Thanks for sharing. It was worth every single minute. Best, Ted Killian