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In a message dated 6/13/02 10:40:23 PM, DialaThos@aol.com writes: << Does anyone here do loop pieces that perhaps start out in ambient fashion (no real time) and then move into looped rhythmic parts? I'm trying to figure out how one might do this. Is it necessary to have two units? >> Multiple non synced loopers work well for this. The "ones" don't match up consistently and this creates moving pulses/rhythms. I generally use long delay type loopers (no tap tempo or midi sync available), such as the Digitech RDS8000/ Time Machine, for "throwing paint against a canvas" type texturely loops and "tap in/out" loopers (Repeater) for rythmic stuff. If you sync the latter to the former, via tap in/ out, they're bound to drift, and by bouncing between them when adding/ fading new material you can best create evolving loops. This is also a good way to give movement and provide interest to a static loop, say one consisting of a distinct, repetative musical phrase (ie a "boring" loop). - Paul