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<<as i live in the uk im looking for a more local luthier possisbley this guy www.mansons.co.uk>> I dunno if it meant it this way, but I get the impression you're unfamiliar with the work of Hugh and Andrew Manson. As I recall, Hugh builds electric instruments and Andrew does electrics. I dunno if any of you guys have ever seen photos of John Paul Jones from the last couple Led Zeppelin tours (I've seen photos from 77, and a video of Ten Years Gone from 79), where he's playing this huge triple neck acoustic instrument (it had 6 string guitar, 12 string guitar, and mandolin necks), that was built by Andrew, I believe. I once saw a photo of a QUADRUPLE necked instrument that added a tiple to the configuration. If you've seen JPJ in concert recently, all the basses that he used throughout the show were built by Hugh. I imagine they're a bit pricey, but I would guess that if you live in the UK and you have the money to spend on whatever dream instrument you have in your head, they may be one possible option. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com