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To Mr. Keith Kotay- dont be disturbed by Mark Sottilaro's comments. At the heart of things he means well, he actually wants you you enjoy your dl4. For reasons unkown, dear Mark needs constant reassurance of his intellectual ego in a way that his psychological make-up hates anyone who knows less than him, as in the projection of putting himself up here and you ( us, many people) down there. Its just an illusion he has created for himself. Behind all that he is a Soul, as is everyone. Also you would be doing yourself a dishoner by buying into his insanity as LD listserver has a wealth of knowledge to offer you in your looping adventures as well as many good hearted people with exquisite knowledge of the field. Once again dont be dismayed by LD's underpayed security gaurd. He means well. Many Blessings, Bill/Las Vegas