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Paul, I use looping in both ways... In some 'configurations of players' I create loops using live material, but in another (one that I have been working with more recently) I use prerecorded material... The tool I use to deliver these loops is Acid... My mode is to 'semi-randomly' pull in samples, lay them into the time space I want them to play, and then bring them into the piece... I'll also use pitch shifting to create dynamics with an individual 'sample track'... For me, the 'trick' top keeping it interesting is to be changing the tracks extremely often, fading old ones out, fading new ones in, etc... Otherewise (as with all looping music) it can quickly become stale... Of course, the other thing I do to keep it 'fresh' is to do this along with other musicians playing live (Mark when are you going to come down and play?!?! :)... I'd love to chat about this technique more, if anyone is interested... As time goes on, it become more apparent to me that Acid is not the perfect tool for what I am doing, and while I gave Live a quick test run, it did not seem to lend itself to what I am doing either, although that might be because I am 'stuck' on the techniques I've developed with Acid, so I want to go back and give that another try... I'm hoping the next version of Acid will allow me to do some of the things I want to, like automate a crossfade between tracks, etc... blah.. blah... blah... :) peace -cpr p.s. Some examples of what I am doing with Acid can be found at: www.musetrap.com/atomicmobiusmachine >-- Original Message -- >From: "Paul Weissman" <paul@nioterra.com> >To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >Subject: RE: Looper census - pre-recorded loops >Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:59:36 -0700 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > >just out of curiosity... who uses pre-recorded loops extensively or >exclusively for performances? > >i'm wondering if anyone out there does the kind of music that i do, i >guess. >everyone here seems mainly concerned with live instrumental sampling... i >don't use any instruments, at least none of the 'common' instruments. > >i guess it's no surprise that i do dance and electronic music mainly. >anyone else? > >paul > >