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If you were around for the Seventies, you shouldn't
remember the food! :)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 00:10
AM
Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or
"Memorex"
Yeah, food in the 70s tasted WAY better than the
food does today...
My
tube refrigerator cools my ketchup better than a solid state one.
Don't know why...but it tastes better too!
Actually, this brings up something I've been
curious about for a while. Does ketchup have a
direction?
>>ducks<<
aha!! it's the annual "are DJ's really
muscians" thread!
personally, i've always really liked mustard, and
never understood how anyone could like ketcup ...
mike
In
a message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes:
but it's not music.
It's music
apreciation.
you gotta be kiddin here when u say that
right?
they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that they
are perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just
that in the more operative sense in the context that you mention here -
such as BPM matching, etc.
But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with
Music" and as someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with
music" as same can be said of DJ Shadow.
Alll the afortementioned
DJ's made very clear and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as much as
Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still could be considered musical regrdless as to
whther there is a backing track present or not IMHO and still be able to
obtain a certain type of virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as
any other traditional musician can do the same
But The experience
of music is not just focused or dependent upon what is happeing on the
stage and doesnt have to be based upon the process of actions a performer
takes visually or physically as much as it is perhaps more in the
intentions and the connection with the audience and the quality of that
connection.. and also there within where it goes or how it is
dispersed.
that seems to be the way you can observe what is
happening without "you" getting in the way of the music's story
IMHO.
Its also sorta kinda like the difference between the person
who goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines
pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast that against a person
who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star dining and Tres
expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly trained chef's
who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts and can apprach
cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in between
).
But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that the food
at Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could make
to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely
kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there
and if especially so, you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in
large portions it could give you a stomach ache:)
But you cant say
it isnt "food" they are eating @ Buddha king just as much as you can
not say that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or enjoyable
becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it came from
cans and all that was done for the foods preparation was that it was put
on a plate for them or made by someone else in a microwave....and who's to
say they arent using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin?
I think folks are
expressing outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet who are in
turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon themselves
the status of chef...who cares & why not?
But from my mind food
is food - be it cooked or uncooked.
"cooking" is just passing food
along to another state as that combinations and and re-combinations happen
all along the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost
-only converted.
and the musical chain of events is never one that
is fixed or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to
look at it or place yourself as a musician.
aint no new notes as
miles once said and its all been done before even before you begin it -
but you can have an original perspective to bring to bear toward all of
that which has already been.
I also think how we perceive music
most times says more about "us" than any music we listen to or play as
musicians most times.
I'm also gonna do some flip flopping here as
that i am on record in some places in print saying the sorta things that
most of the posters regarding this subject have already said concerning
canned music- sucking.
in recent days I have come to regret those
dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc as not
being true musicians...i think i was way wrong and off the mark and regret
having made those statements
but hopefully we dont start asking -
what is music?
That "age old question" is more or less the
most obvious - "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time and
energy invested in its self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts from any
sort of music you could ever claim to like, hate, love, want or even
reject at that matter.
& I could care less ( as most audiences
feel the same way these days as they too could care less ) if someone is
actually playing or fervently working and tweaking knobs or pushing some
so called "boundary" that either i want and or need to have affirmed for
me to have a "significantly" & valid "musical"
experience.
My own personal experiences are valid without needing
to cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set of
expectations and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may
have been given or learned to apply against all music(s)..
It seems
like with all those expectations.of validity where one would end up
looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge that something is a certain
or particular way, says that in any case you would again really only be
there listening for and looking for affirmation of - self - regardless as
to any context, genre or message/story the music may or may not have to
reveal to you.
This dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel
Walter from the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe
The Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference to the AEN
band COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp )... the quote goes somethin like this ( as i am
paraphrasing ) :
" Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - cuz
they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied with
music".
Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty is in
that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music"
despite their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who demand
their performances and listening experience be "musical".
They (
COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be anything other than
what the music asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can ever hope
for IMHO.
and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe
look for in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer
or when listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo.
But this "is
it live or memorex" talk also reminds me that I've always & still do
really wanna play a show where I just show up and sit on a well adorned
stage done up to be like a very ornate and plush 1950's living room -
where i am on a couch with a remote control flicking thru all my "john
price tunes" while they are on random play where all the while I'm on the
couch surrounded by gorgeous women sipping the working man's champagne
Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the audience watch themselves and me
and...vice versa on video screens. all over the venue.
i
think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done something
quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ...
guess i need
to go & do it but i think it would be fun and 100% musical in
the process :).
"Remember To Always Kill
Your
Expectations"
JP/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
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