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on 7/10/02 8:38 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL at GLOBAL@cruzio.com wrote: > I can always tell keyboard or guitar players who program because they > overprogram almost universally: In a wierd way, I have found that the > most useful drum programs (or rhythmic 'bed' loops for that matter) are >the > ones that are incredibly minimalistic and almost always only one bar or >two > bars long.............this gives one much more room to layer on top > of the piece to create interest and diversity. This reminds me. One of the most effective drum machine loops I ever recorded with was probably a metronomic single hit from a Korg DDM-110. It worked perfectly with the bass line a friend was playing through my Boss RDD-10. I've long since sold the Korg (though I still have it's brother the DDM-220 Super Percussion). The RDD-10 sits waiting for me to figure out what to do with it in my setup since it overloads in a rather nice way. On the other hand, this same bass player would tend to look at me with a sort of "what? are you kidding?" look when I'd program in drum loops playing a cycle of 2 against a cycle of 3 against a cycle of 5 etc.. By the way: When people on this list talk polyrhythms, do you generally mean multiple ways of dividing a single bar of music or multiple bar lengths? I had an SR-16 for several years that I never got into programming because it's pads felt too harsh coming from a Korg DDD-1 (which sounded worse but was actually pretty nice to program). Now, I have an MC-505 that mostly leaves me feeling too annoyed to program it. It could find itself replaced with an ER-1, an EM-1, or a Machinedrum. Actually the only percussion I've actually bothered to record recently came from me playing a Handsonic through a Mo-FX into an EDP, but while I can handle basic kick/snare patterns and some amount of ornamentation, I've never quite figured out how to play a hi-hat line that pleases me. Mark